adios

Bers - please donate my remaining E$ to a newbie courtesy of me.

Also, please "thank" @Tuey for being а *** and remind her that its just a game

bye all

I don't think devs would want to move any item or cash you paid for to another account. It would set a bad precedent in the case an account was hacked.

Bye.

oh gee gosh golly. We will miss you lots... 

You're right, cranky, it is just a game.  So why are you getting so upset that you need to call someone a vulgar name for?

I cant help but think to myself, what if a new player was reading this thread?? Players calling other players names and you all giving sarcastic replies without even trying discuss the issues.I don't know what these issues are and nor do I want to know but surely, you all being some of the biggest and most experienced players, should be setting an example and showing possible newbies that this game is NOT built around posts like this??Newbies are encouraged to read the forum for advice and this is what they see??Two friends of mine have quit this game because of the way they were spoken to by two 'veterans'. The were told to delete with no reason why, they were not even spared a short message explaining anything. Should you not be just taking it for granted that new people know the 'politics' of TT2 and encouraging and explaining things instead???First impressions count hugely, do they not???You give the impression of being nothing but uncaring bullies ganging up on someone here, another player stating about money they have lost, no wonder new players are leaving if this is how people behave.

Just giving feedback and sharing an opinion.It is your game, your choice.

I can't speak for everyone but I don't like wiping new players off the map to make room for my team if I can avoid it.  So, I suggest early (if possible) relocation with an offer to help the other player do so with resources and advice on how to best expand (if they wish) in their new location.  I feel badly if someone decides it's not worth exploring that option and either quits or is forcibly moved later on.  

To suggest that everyone operates the same way (eg as bullies) is a specious generalization and I do agree with Bers that collectives have all they need to adequately resist and defend, especially against attacks by lower tech heroes.

I don't really see a whole lot of sarcasm in this thread.  I do see an admonition that name calling is irresponsible and unnecessary however.  Whatever the issues were between Cranky and his alliance and its leader are none of our business.  He did not quit because he was a "bullied" new player, however, as he was not a new player and his departure was due to his own issues with his alliance.

In fact, I think it's more off-putting to post comments that imply, if not state outright, that the veteran players are all rude, pushy and demanding when it is not true.  This community, by and large, is a great gaming community.  It is a bit small to be sure and there have been some displays of temper, but compared to other places I've seen it is more accepting and helpful than other similar gaming communities. 

One more thing.  I have never called any player on this game a vulgar or insulting name but I have been the object of "vile" name-calling so again, generalizations are not helpful here. If all one has is name-calling and insults he/she has got nuthin.  :-)

I can't speak for everyone but I don't like wiping new players off the map to make room for my team if I can avoid it. 

Ofcourse you don't. Wiping players takes a lot of time and effort versus "relocation is advised" short phrase :) Especially since recent update which prohibits using old developed accounts to wipe new players.

For the record it's not a matter of time and effort.  :-)  I just don't feel good doing it.  And also for the record I do not use advanced heroes to take out new ones to make room for younger members.  That is a rule I have instituted in my alliance.

And, btw using advanced heroes against low tech heroes takes no time or effort lol so that has never been a consideration for me.  :-)  I just don't like it.  Never have and never will.  No matter how frustrated I am for younger members who have fallen victim to the placement program.  :-)

The 30 day rule does not stop advanced heros wiping out new heros. It does stop old heros that have been sitting around with huge armies yes, but does not stop advancing and wiping out. The only thing it does is limit the uses of alliances, pretty much makes alliances pointless for anyone over a 30 day limit of each other. Limiting a hero by age is a huge imbalance for the PvP aspect of your game bers and you are not seeing it. If a limit is needed you should look into Tech Era limits as we have all told you several times in these alphas... You wouldn't have these problems if an industrial age hero couldn't hit a classical age hero. 30 days will not stop that, look at my neighbor, still classical and still playing daily. I could go wipe that person out if i wanted too, but i see no thrill in hitting someone so slow.

The 30 day rule does not stop advanced heros wiping out new heros. It does stop old heros that have been sitting around with huge armies yes, but does not stop advancing and wiping out. The only thing it does is limit the uses of alliances, pretty much makes alliances pointless for anyone over a 30 day limit of each other. Limiting a hero by age is a huge imbalance for the PvP aspect of your game bers and you are not seeing it. If a limit is needed you should look into Tech Era limits as we have all told you several times in these alphas... You wouldn't have these problems if an industrial age hero couldn't hit a classical age hero. 30 days will not stop that, look at my neighbor, still classical and still playing daily. I could go wipe that person out if i wanted too, but i see no thrill in hitting someone so slow.

Agreed and I'd like to propose that no limits whatsoever should apply to hitting someone more advanced or in this case more than 30 days older than the attacker. 

I think limiting by tech age is a reasonable solution and in any event the protection should end at some point, maybe 4 months of age for everyone, regardless of level so you don't encourage people to stay behind just to avoid making defenses and bothering their neighbors on purpose.  :-)

You may be able to stop players staying behind on purpose by using a soft limit instead. Instead of not being able to attack lower age players, make it so you can attack, but only with troops of that age and below. This means players staying behind and being annoying to neighbours can still be hit.

Considering research can be sped up to being twice as fast by arithmometers, 30 days can be up to 2 or 3 ages apart from each other.

The 30 day rule does not stop advanced heros wiping out new heros. It does stop old heros that have been sitting around with huge armies yes, but does not stop advancing and wiping out. The only thing it does is limit the uses of alliances, pretty much makes alliances pointless for anyone over a 30 day limit of each other. Limiting a hero by age is a huge imbalance for the PvP aspect of your game bers and you are not seeing it. If a limit is needed you should look into Tech Era limits as we have all told you several times in these alphas... You wouldn't have these problems if an industrial age hero couldn't hit a classical age hero. 30 days will not stop that, look at my neighbor, still classical and still playing daily. I could go wipe that person out if i wanted too, but i see no thrill in hitting someone so slow.

We can continue to  point out this and go in circles until the cows come flying. Truth of the matter is until  Bers and the Devs see it clearly, this usless 30 day rule will be around. I for one Im very frustrated , being a new small alliance is hard enough and now I can even help protect some of my players!!!  I aplaud all the veteren players that have decided to create new heroes and demonstrate how helpless this 30 day rule is, as they can easily fly through the techs in a very short time. New heroes will get wipped, beacuse they will be within the 30 day time limit. I gues a picture really will be worth a thousand words !!!

When it happens ( and it will), I hope the old startegies of calling players bullies and/or stating they take advantage and only attack smaller weaker players will not be used, since it will all be fair, all within the 30 day limit :),,, my  2 cents

The 30 day rule must be indeed very inconvenient since the despots are complaining about it so much. I find it fair. Without the 30 day constriction, no amount of towers and troops can protect smaller alliance of newer heroes, who do not have taverns developed enough to reinforce in big numbers. And please do not preach about not taking defense seriously enough. We all heard it before and many do actually take it to heart.

The 30 day rule must be indeed very inconvenient since the despots are complaining about it so much. I find it fair. Without the 30 day constriction, no amount of towers and troops can protect smaller alliance of newer heroes, who do not have taverns developed enough to reinforce in big numbers. And please do not preach about not taking defense seriously enough. We all heard it before and many do actually take it to heart.

30 days will not help this at all either, since you can still get hit by a very large group of attackers that are much more advanced than you. 30 days does nothing to protect from this type of attack.

Another reason this is an imbalance, If someone wanted too, They could start heros at the start of the new alpha, then, 27 - 29 days later start a new hero. This will allow them to be reinforced by the older heros and still able to attack the newer heros within a 30 day limit. Leaving the newer heros at another disadvantage simply because they can not also be reinforced by older heros.

It is literally just an inconvenience and an imbalance to the game and new players. I understand many will not see it because the fear of being attacked is blinding many others but its truth. Just because some are slow, can not protect or defend, do not work with others in a MULTIPLAYER game, does not mean a 30 day age limit is going to just fix it. 

30 days + arithmometer + encyclopedia means a gap of 2 ages between players who play the same amount, one paying, and one not paying.

The rule does not take account of this.

Of course that the 30 day rule does not protect from everything, but it limits the amount of players that are able to attack. It's still better than no restriction at all :)

It is literally just an inconvenience and an imbalance to the game and new players. I understand many will not see it because the fear of being attacked is blinding many others but its truth. Just because some are slow, can not protect or defend, do not work with others in a MULTIPLAYER game, does not mean a 30 day age limit is going to just fix it. 

The truth is that despots are the major group that is complaining about the rule, and let's be honest, it's not due to the inability to reinforce their younger comrades. The rule works both ways after all :)

It is literally just an inconvenience and an imbalance to the game and new players. I understand many will not see it because the fear of being attacked is blinding many others but its truth. Just because some are slow, can not protect or defend, do not work with others in a MULTIPLAYER game, does not mean a 30 day age limit is going to just fix it. 

The truth is that despots are the major group that is complaining about the rule, and let's be honest, it's not due to the inability to reinforce their younger comrades. The rule works both ways after all :)

The argument is that the game is more balanced with tech age restrictions, not hero age restrictions. The above posters want to 'repeal and replace,' not just 'repeal,' if you know what I mean.